tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post3831838731340890952..comments2023-11-05T03:20:46.695-05:00Comments on The Ostroy Report: The Bumper-Sticker Wars: How Democrats Can Effectively Disarm the Right of its Most Powerful RhetoricThe Ostroy Reporthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04955421147082736335noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-77760284471259554392008-07-13T17:09:00.000-04:002008-07-13T17:09:00.000-04:009:51,Pay no attention to the charlatan posing as a...9:51,<BR/><BR/>Pay no attention to the charlatan posing as an authority on Trinity United (aka 2:49). It's entirely likely his/her whole experience with the church is limited to YouTube and FauxNews characterizations (slanders) of an entire faith community - as is your own given your admitted confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-12562016254394183292008-07-12T14:49:00.000-04:002008-07-12T14:49:00.000-04:009:51 Think it through. There's nothing to be conf...9:51 Think it through. There's nothing to be confused about. Obama attended a church for twenty years in which it was preached that white people and the government they control are responsible for all the troubles the black population has suffered in their lifetimes and the lifetimes of their ancestors as well as any bad behavior they might display as far as responsiblity to their families is concerned. That is the message cheered by the Trinity Church congregation and believed by Jesse Jackson and his followers. Suddenly, however, the black community has a chance to get a black man elected as President so, he, the black candidate and most of the black population are perfectly satisfied when he, Obama, totally changes course and declares black men need to take responsibility themselves for their bad treatment toward their children. When Cosby said it the blacks in the country railed against him, but now its OK because that position will get Obama elected. Who knows what he will "believe" once in the White House. I'm sure you realize you were right and no longer feel uncomfortable with your understanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-81073247098827219582008-07-12T12:33:00.000-04:002008-07-12T12:33:00.000-04:004:15,*whoosh*I'm so confused!*whoosh*4:15,<BR/><BR/>*whoosh*<BR/><BR/>I'm so confused!<BR/><BR/>*whoosh*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-90096179982017708262008-07-11T16:15:00.000-04:002008-07-11T16:15:00.000-04:0010:06 No, I read stupidly dull sarcasm in your pat...10:06 No, I read stupidly dull sarcasm in your pathetic response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-58708979428867737022008-07-11T10:06:00.000-04:002008-07-11T10:06:00.000-04:009:51,You hear wind swirling in your head, don't yo...9:51,<BR/><BR/>You hear wind swirling in your head, don't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-23282574913005530292008-07-11T08:45:00.000-04:002008-07-11T08:45:00.000-04:00There are those of us who consider Obama's vote wh...There are those of us who consider Obama's vote which erodes the Fourth Amendment cannot be excused no matter the spin. Read the Letters to the Editor in the NY Times today to see how seriously former supporters feel about his betrayal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-64485816016150507472008-07-10T21:51:00.000-04:002008-07-10T21:51:00.000-04:00I am really confused. Jackson and Rev. Wright, hi...I am really confused. Jackson and Rev. Wright, his Church and the theology he preaches believe that blacks are victims of "whitey"'s mistreatment and terror and Obama attended that church all those years and cherished his relationship with Rev. Wright yet, he, Obama now blames the black communities' troubles on the black men. How did he lately get to the exact opposite position in his thinking? No wonder Jackson is shocked into fury.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-79752406377903046322008-07-10T21:46:00.000-04:002008-07-10T21:46:00.000-04:00Since you people are continuing the Obama-vote tal...Since you people are continuing the Obama-vote talk I'll add my two cents worth. The two above are wrong - it was Jonathan Turley )they probably turned in after the intro), but everything else they say is true. I'm with them. It is highly significant that our "liberal", Democratic, "left" "progressive" decided to vote with Bush and undermine the Constituion and make us now subject to secretive spying from our government. That's how goverments become dictatorships.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-80202216762788076282008-07-10T17:43:00.000-04:002008-07-10T17:43:00.000-04:00This article is flippin' brilliant and a media wat...This article is flippin' brilliant and a media watchdog site like Ostroy's should pick up on this riff: <BR/><BR/>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-bergmann/the-week-that-should-have_b_111983.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-2253402990365027502008-07-10T17:38:00.000-04:002008-07-10T17:38:00.000-04:0012:25,The person you saw with Rachel Maddow on Cou...12:25,<BR/><BR/>The person you saw with Rachel Maddow on Countdown last night was Jonathan Turley, not Jeffrey Toobin, and calling someone who points out an error as arrogant only shows you to be thoroughly juvenile. It was your (or the other poster you defend's) mistake, not mine.<BR/><BR/>Point 1: The outcome of this vote was predetermined based on the procedural moves of Harry Reid. It should not have come as a surprise to anyone.<BR/><BR/>Point 2: 9:16 declared that ConLaw professors did not agree with what I had written. I replied that, yes, some ConLaw professors, including Obama, and other lawyers with a thorough understanding of ConLaw agree with what I wrote.<BR/><BR/>None of what I wrote is idiotic, it's all based in easily verifiable fact. It is also worth mentioning that I have not AGREED with Obama's vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-45781950567606866182008-07-10T12:25:00.000-04:002008-07-10T12:25:00.000-04:009:17 You're as arrogant as Obama. I saw the same ...9:17 You're as arrogant as Obama. I saw the same program on MSNBC. We all know Toobin works for CNN which made his distress all the more meaningful and authentic when he appeared on MSNBC when Rachel Maddow was sitting in for Keith Olbermann. When Maddow asked him, Toobin said that he would be very much surprised and disappointed in Obama if he voted in opposition to the Constitution. Then he teared up and said the Fourth Amendment would be eroded and the Constitution devalued. <BR/><BR/><BR/>What is your idiotic point? Hillary's vote showed where she stands and Obama's revealed a great deal about what he stands for. She stands for our freedoms, the Constitution and the Fourth Admendment.<BR/><BR/>What is your other idiotic point about Obama's Consitutional education. Many don't act on the principles they know and are well-versed in. Obama is more interested in directions from his super-sized ego which is telling him: "Win mo matter what you have to do." His intelligence should tell him he can't win by joining the other side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-38951405287057475212008-07-10T11:08:00.000-04:002008-07-10T11:08:00.000-04:00Toobin ought to cry. During the primary when he w...Toobin ought to cry. During the primary when he was on the endless CNN panels discussing the race, Toobin always supported Obama and bashed Hillary. Sexism got in the way of his intellect and education and probably his intuition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-38285359237864422742008-07-10T11:06:00.000-04:002008-07-10T11:06:00.000-04:009:16,Jeffrey Toobin works for CNN. It's not real l...9:16,<BR/><BR/>Jeffrey Toobin works for CNN. It's not real likely you saw him on MSNBC.<BR/><BR/>This outcome was predetermined when last year Harry Reid's procedural moves dictated that it would take 60 votes to defeat the measure. That was NEVER going to happen, so this is all much ado about what's been known would happen for 8 months.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Barack Obama was a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago so he's pretty well versed on the subject at hand. As other court followers who have also written about this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-63788301114608408062008-07-10T09:46:00.000-04:002008-07-10T09:46:00.000-04:00Gail Collins has advice and a slight reprimand for...Gail Collins has advice and a slight reprimand for all of us in her NY Times column today. We just weren't listening to Obama when we fell in love with him and it's time to realize that. He said all along he would compromise and that would mean leaning toward the other side. So it's out fault for not hearing what he was telling us. <BR/><BR/>The NY Times article also told us that months before the heavy campaigning. Obama's way to bring people together is most times to give in to the opposition.<BR/><BR/>Now we're stuck with him and his ways with no way out. We're the "dumb Americans" Obama so dislikes. He even said that if we think he's changed positions, we havn't been listening to what he said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-47549650155019105432008-07-10T09:38:00.000-04:002008-07-10T09:38:00.000-04:00Obama says forget about English - teach our childr...Obama says forget about English - teach our childrn Spanish and a second language. <BR/><BR/>He is so out of touch. Children are dropping out of school because they are frustrated that they can't read Enhlish above third grade level.<BR/><BR/>The public schools need overhauling and real educators consulted. Yet, Obama is so upset that Americans who travel can't speak the language of the country they visit. "It's embarrassing" he said. He is so out of touch with Americans and their real problems. He never had to go to public school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-32430751640363634422008-07-10T09:16:00.000-04:002008-07-10T09:16:00.000-04:005:03 AM Whoever you are and what ever your creden...5:03 AM Whoever you are and what ever your credentials, you are wrong according to the Constitutional Law Professors and other scholars who have written about this and appeared on TV. Jeffery Toobin was almost in tears when he reported on this on MSNBC. A huge part of the Fourth Amendment was destroyed by this vote. This decision was an assault on our rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-44067897820264677772008-07-10T05:03:00.000-04:002008-07-10T05:03:00.000-04:0010:29,Have you had your meds checked lately?10:32,...10:29,<BR/><BR/>Have you had your meds checked lately?<BR/><BR/>10:32,<BR/><BR/>Let's be honest about this issue and not swallow whole the talking points, OK?<BR/><BR/>1. Both the Clinton and Bush Administrations violated FISA laws and had the law revised by Congress after the fact.<BR/>2. What people see as "telecom immunity" pales mightily compared to the real issue: accountability of the Executive Branch to the Fourth Amendment.<BR/>3. This FISA legislation IN NO WAY precludes criminal prosecution against ANYONE, only civil litigation. No one is "off the hook" if it can be proven they broke criminal statutes and if there is the political will to actually prosecute them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-86450669330545047542008-07-09T22:32:00.000-04:002008-07-09T22:32:00.000-04:00Obama voted yes to let the spys off the hook. Hil...Obama voted yes to let the spys off the hook. Hillary voted against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-84520974285394240182008-07-09T22:29:00.000-04:002008-07-09T22:29:00.000-04:00Ralph Nader was right. Obama hasn't been talking ...Ralph Nader was right. Obama hasn't been talking about the issues that concern black people and Jesse Jackson is furious. Obama said that black men had to become better fathers and take responsibility for supporting and caring for their children. Jackson, and others writing and speaking on the subject, claim that Obama is wrong and that the problem is not that black men are irresponsible but that this country does not provide good jobs and equal opporunitites for them so they can care for their children. <BR/><BR/>So there we get a glimpse of what is to come if Obama ie President. The black community will watch his every move and hear his every word to make sure he is acting and speaking on behalf of the interests of the black community. Never will a President have been so beholden to one group of people, unless it's George Bush's obligation to the Religious Right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-36085251444516583962008-07-09T22:24:00.000-04:002008-07-09T22:24:00.000-04:00Obama supporters do not idealize or idolize him. T...Obama supporters do not idealize or idolize him. They know what his values are, what his strengths are, what his weaknesses are, what to expect - same as Clinton supporters, same as McCain supporters.<BR/><BR/>If you know what Clinton's values are and respect them, then it really should not be much of a problem for you to take her word that Obama is the better choice than McCain.<BR/><BR/>National numbers don't elect a president (see Gore, Al). Electoral votes as determined by states elect the president, and by any reasonable measure Obama enjoys a substantial advantage right now over McCain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-29172669269615417792008-07-09T18:04:00.000-04:002008-07-09T18:04:00.000-04:00Hillary supporters do not idealize or idolize her....Hillary supporters do not idealize or idolize her. It's just we know what her values are, what her strengths are, what her weaknesses are, what to expect. We know nothing for sure about Obama, and what has been revealed does not bode well for his presidency. <BR/><BR/>His two point lead over MCCain does not sound like Obama is sure to win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-45914979568074557062008-07-09T15:46:00.000-04:002008-07-09T15:46:00.000-04:0011:24,That's the same response you'd get from an O...11:24,<BR/><BR/>That's the same response you'd get from an Obama supporter, that you've just provided your own opinion and have twisted his views.<BR/><BR/>Clintonistas crack me up. As much as they want to brand Obama supporters as disciples of a Messiah, the same claim can easily be made you all deify Hillary as some sort of modern day Virgin of Chappaqua.<BR/><BR/>Let's be real, here. If you are a Democrat and want to win, the signs are all good. According to the latest polls, in every state won by John Kerry the advantage Obama has over McCain is larger than the winning margin Kerry had over Bush. That gives Obama a pretty solid start of 252 of the 270 electoral votes needed.<BR/><BR/>The following states were all won by Bush but now Obama has nice leads over McCain: Colorado, Ohio and Iowa. If he wins Ohio alone, he will be President.<BR/><BR/>The following states were all won by Bush by 20% or more over Kerry but are within solid reach for Obama: Indiana, Montana, Alaska.<BR/><BR/>The following states were all won by Bush by 7-16% over Kerry and are now either being led by Obama or within a few points: North Carolina, Virginia, Missouri, Georgia.<BR/><BR/>Nevada and New Mexico were squeakers for Bush and are ripe for Obama. But, of course, the big prize would be Florida or Texas. Florida is doable but Texas probably not. Still, Obama could force McCain to spend money in Texas and that's been unnecessary for the GOP for the last 12 years or so.<BR/><BR/>Personally I think Clinton could beat McCain, too, but it sure looks like Obama is not only well on his way to winning - it looks like he could win by 100+ electoral votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-74977166023870909252008-07-09T14:15:00.000-04:002008-07-09T14:15:00.000-04:00I will write-in "Hillary Clinton" in November if I...I will write-in "Hillary Clinton" in November if I must.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-84966489941384583522008-07-09T12:47:00.000-04:002008-07-09T12:47:00.000-04:00I have been for Hillary from the beginning and wil...I have been for Hillary from the beginning and will not vote for Obama because of his recent behavior. How do we become a "grassroots movement" that can get results?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11636447.post-52168265392307493632008-07-09T11:38:00.000-04:002008-07-09T11:38:00.000-04:00Obama has no track record except for breaking his ...Obama has no track record except for breaking his promises. Nobody knows what Obama will bring.<BR/><BR/>He is just an ordinary politician, he is not what he wants you to think he is. Ever hear him define 'change' ? I don't know about any of you, but I don't want undefined change.<BR/><BR/>Obama has shown with his about face on public financing that he is in it just to win and he will do whatever it takes, break whatever promises he makes, to get into the White House.<BR/><BR/>I also want to push to have Hillary get the nomination in Denver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com