Comments on The Ostroy Report: The True Definition of "Party Unity"

bkln. The correct spelling is "COMMENTATOR"There a...

2008-03-18T10:17:00.000-04:00

bkln.

The correct spelling is "COMMENTATOR"

There are other errors but they are not worth the time required for a response.

However, thank you for identifying yourself. I'm sure those who agree with you will mail you a thank you note.

Wow. You need some serious help. Or at least a h...

2008-03-18T10:12:00.000-04:00

Wow. You need some serious help. Or at least a horse tranquilizer.

Democrats are so hateful.

2008-03-18T09:47:00.000-04:00

Democrats are so hateful.

bkln is a black racist whom blames the white folk,...

2008-03-18T09:38:00.000-04:00

bkln is a black racist whom blames the white folk,for everything wrong in the african community,they burnt watts down twice,their the reason young blacks are killing young white college girls and their the reason most black weman have to raise their childern without the father in the childs life,blame whitey for everything,lifes easy that way

Does the name Kennedy mean anything to you in rega...

2008-03-18T01:00:00.000-04:00

Does the name Kennedy mean anything to you in regards to Mary Jo Kopechne or how about the dumping of diesel fuel into the 'prestine' water he is trying to block the wind farms?

To Anonymous 8:17 (ask me how much I loathe "anony...

2008-03-17T22:30:00.000-04:00

To Anonymous 8:17 (ask me how much I loathe "anonymous" posts) and all other oblivious commenters and terrified whites and closeted Republicans posting here:

The point is that the person saying there were "for Obama and is an Oprah fan" is a liar. Read their post and convince me otherwise. The rest of your screed is a bunch of rambling misspelled confused nonsense not worth the time of a response.

To Anonymous 7:38 - don't blame Dean for the mess in FL and MI. It was the state parties and legislatures who decided to violate already agreed upon rules (yes they themseleves voted to accept these rules) for the primary season. Are you just a Bush-loving tool who thinks the rule of law is something to be ignored whenever you want? I'm guessing yes. Why oh why do I waste my time with trolls?

And finally, something for our new hypocrite-in-residence, Anonymous 9:57.

Do the names Giuliani, Gingrich or McCain mean anything to you as regards extramarital affairs?

What the hell is in the water in Albany?? Now, th...

2008-03-17T21:57:00.000-04:00

What the hell is in the water in Albany?? Now, the new NY Governor has just admitted to an affair. He's only been the Governor for two hours!!

What is wrong with Democrats?

Its a good thing Democrats are not going to contro...

2008-03-17T20:46:00.000-04:00

Its a good thing Democrats are not going to control the Executive Branch - they can't even run their own party.

Dean is a disgrace
Obama is a racist America hater
Clinton a power hungry corrupt liar (Bill, not Hillary)
Hillary can't even run her own campaign

What's a center to left independent thinker to do, but to vote for the moderate John McCain.

What's your point bkln? That the contributor who ...

2008-03-17T20:17:00.000-04:00

What's your point bkln? That the contributor who likes Oprah is probably a woman and therefore is not to be considered? wouldn't it be interesting if Hillary had a preacher screaming hate anr ranting because of the injusitces women have gone through. Like only how recently they got the vote, for example? Like when they finally had control over their own bodies. Like their not being allowed bo be a Catholic Priest (although black men are.) Like the Southern Baptist and other protestant churches demanding they obey their husbands. Like their not being allowed to own property until only a few decades ago. Like some women still have to shave their heads, wear wigs and walk behind their husbands. Like that spousal abuse of women is one of the number one crimes in the country. That contrary to young girls, very few college men are murdered. There has been no college man raped by a woman that has ever made the news. And very few women get off on watching sexual torture in prono movies. Gangs are forcing women into sex slavery -- yes they are slaves. And the prostitutes not the 'Johns" are arrested. The condition of Mulim women is atrocious. They aren't even allowed to show their faces which would give them some individuality. Reminds me of the old "just put a bag over her head."

Wright screamed that Hillary doesn't know what it's like to be brought up by a single parent. Obama's father abandoned her and left her with a child. Is that America's fault? Women are abandoned daily to raise their "man's" children alone. When is it going to be the time for a woman to have a population sympathetic to women and the monumental abuse they suffer? When can someone like Ferarra say to a woman candidate that there's so much sympathy for the plight of women that she's lucky to be in a position to benefit and advance on that surge of support?

Every night since this race started either, Matthews, Olbermann, Carlson, Abrams and their guests have made sexist remarks about Hillary and many times they have lied about what she's said. "SHe wouldn't be running if it wasn't for Monical" Matthews said with no reprimands.
The list of verbal abuse for Hillary is long on all the networkds and in the press.

There will be no redo in Florida. If there is no ...

2008-03-17T19:38:00.000-04:00

There will be no redo in Florida. If there is no redo there is no satisfactory answer to the mess Dean has gotten us into. The only good realization is that Dean was not our USA President. He was against the war but his judgment sucks. The damage is going to be compounded when that ineffecitve Nancy Polisi and Al Gore, who flunked his own campaign, step in to settle it. What tell me do they know? Al is good a the enviorment but outside of that -- well, he caved when he could have been president. Unless the Democrats left to vote don't realize that if they vote for Obama who can never never survive the mess he's gotten himself into, McCain will be presdient. Obama simply cannot win now.

Sicney has come out of the closet. By implying tha...

2008-03-17T19:30:00.000-04:00

Sicney has come out of the closet. By implying that Bill is a racist for saying Obama "mugged" him, and registering surprise that Clinton did not also say Obama "carjacked" or "Lynched" him, Sidney is implying that only blacks do those things, else it would not have been the racial slur that he is accusing Bill of having made.

Bill Clinton: Obama Mugged Mehttp://www.politico....

2008-03-17T16:31:07.772-04:00

Bill Clinton: Obama Mugged Me

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Bill_Mugged_in_South_Carolina.html#comments

No one knows how to employ racial codewords better than our boy Bill...Surprised he didn't say he was "carjacked" or "lynched"

Rev. Wright's controversial, but to an extent unde...

2008-03-17T15:51:03.430-04:00

Rev. Wright's controversial, but to an extent understndable, remarks are reminiscent of Frederick Douglass's 1852 essay that follows in part:

"What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour."

"I was for OBama and I am an Oprah fan."Riiiiiight...

2008-03-17T15:45:00.000-04:00

"I was for OBama and I am an Oprah fan."

Riiiiiight.

"And here I thought she was simply running for off...

2008-03-17T15:42:00.000-04:00

"And here I thought she was simply running for office in an election."

How duplicitous of you. You couch this in terms of "battle" and "war" and then belittle those who do the same. And that doesn't even touch on the foolishness of belittling the damage this battle is doing to the Party.

I hope the Ostroy Report isn't going to further devolve away from thoughtful debate.

Obama has blown it. If his judgment is so astound...

2008-03-17T15:35:00.000-04:00

Obama has blown it. If his judgment is so astounding he should have foreseen the consequences of merging with a racist mentor, pastor, and friend. He should have known that his saying after twenty years of attending the church he did not know the preacher's policies makes him appear to be lying or appear to be stupid. He should have known that it would be revealed that his big supporter Oprah is a member of that racist church. He should have told Michelle to watch what she says.

I was for OBama and I am an Oprah fan. However, I do not want a president who hates me. And, who knows, as someone suggests, whom he will appoint, or how he will legislate should he win. He has fooled us for this long.

As for the civil war comments -- the ones who would be seceding are the blacks. They hate America.
They seem already to have seceded mentally and psychologically

Anonymous 3:19pm, rather than complain about the o...

2008-03-17T15:30:26.227-04:00

Anonymous 3:19pm, rather than complain about the opinions I've expressed, why don't you share with Ostroy and his readers your own opinions? Meaningless and boring, eh? We can't really say that your post was meaningful, insightful or lively in any way, can we?

So, Markos says: "People like me have two choices ...

2008-03-17T15:24:39.827-04:00

So, Markos says: "People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line."

Wow. "Civil war?" And here I thought she was simply running for office in an election. Those darn Clintons!

Now in my prayers I not only say God BLess America...

2008-03-17T15:19:00.000-04:00

Now in my prayers I not only say God BLess America, I ask that Sidney soon gets a job so I don't have so skim through his endless entries which are repetitive, meaningless and boring.

And PLEASE don't forget that Rush Limbaugh and Lau...

2008-03-17T15:16:00.000-04:00

And PLEASE don't forget that Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham and many other troglodyte talkers have been SUCCESSFULLY egging on Republicans to "cross over" to vote for Clinton in the recent MAJOR primaries of Ohio, Texas and Mississippi.

Don't downplay or forget to mention that a quarter million votes that she just tallied up are insincere, monkeywrench votes that Clinton absolutely will not have in November.

Quite the bunch of scared pathetic white folks tha...

2008-03-17T14:57:00.000-04:00

Quite the bunch of scared pathetic white folks that have amassed here Andy, and unfortunately you've been serving up a full buffet for them to gorge on lately. It's sad to see that you appear to have lost the ability to discern a trouble-making troll from a sincere Obama supporter.

Your civics lesson is condescending and juvenile, no different from the many troll posts here. What is the point you're trying to make and to whom?

No sincere Democrat or Progressive wants McCain in the Oval Office. Duh. Looking at it today, that means that there will be a bunch of people grudgingly pulling the "D" lever in November because their first choice won't be at the top of the ticket. So be it. I was a Dean guy who felt from day one that Kerry would lose the general election. Sadly I think my sense was more prophetic than cynical, despite working my ass off for the Kerry campaign once he had the nomination. This same sense is one of many things that has brought me to support Obama.

Your prior post was pretty naive to posit that Obama's current issues are any more substantive in the "electability question" than Whitewater-Lewinsky-impeachment-etc and the rabid Clinton-hatred that has been boiling since 1992 and will unify the fractured GOP like nothing else will.

And so far, the only reports I've seen has been that Clinton supporters are threatening to withhold contributions to the DNC (some have already demanded and received refunds) if they don't do exactly as Clinton wants and seats the FL-MI delegates with their flawed results. How's THAT for Party unity?!? No Obama supporter is AFRAID of a re-do in either state. We welcome it. Problem is the question of who will foot the several million dollar bill in the midst of a major presidential campaign? C'mon Andy, don't be so simple. It's unbecoming.

I could go on and on but won't because hopefully you're getting a chance to clear your head on this. Neither Clinton nor Obama was my first choice this time around. Some things that brought me to support Obama is his ability to motivate the masses and what appears to be unscripted sincerity - two traits I find missing in Clinton. Obama does the vision thing well, and that is very much what people appear to be wanting after these many years of Bush. He is bringing many new people to the Party. The same cannot be said about Clinton. If basic trends continue (which Obama predicted), he will arrive at Denver with the same lead he has now in terms of delegates, states and popular vote. When will it make sense to try to unify the Party for the general election battle?

If you want sniping to stop, take your complaints to Mark Penn and other top Clinton spokespeople (not advisers) who regularly trash-talk Obama. Seriously - name one Obama official that has invoked someone like Ken Starr or other such boogeyman about Clinton?

Markos at DailyKos weighs in:http://www.dailykos.c...

2008-03-17T14:11:26.314-04:00

Markos at DailyKos weighs in:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/17/12417/1285/527/478498

Exerpt:
"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate.

She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup.

Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war.

Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power.

If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case.".......

"Meanwhile, Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have "turned" on Clinton and are no longer "honest power brokers" or "respectable voices" or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little "strikes" when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.

People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line. Honestly, it wasn't a difficult choice. And it's clear, looking at where the super delegates, most bloggers, and people like Olbermann are lining up, that the mainstream of the progressive movement is making the same choice.

And the more super delegates see what is happening, and what Clinton has in store, the more imperative it is that they line up behind Obama and put an end to it before it's too late."

what you have to watch out for in the fall,will be...

2008-03-17T12:29:00.000-04:00

what you have to watch out for in the fall,will be,how many coat-tails will Obama bring,we in the democratic party were hoping to take even more of a majority in the senate and house, if Obama is the pick,how sure are we that we will pick up seats.what if the voters do not show up at the polls because of a afro-american shizster(someone who would steal the teeth out of a dead mans mouth) being our pick. then we lose all the whitehouse,the congress and the senate

"Also, I am not sure I can handle a President wher...

2008-03-17T12:19:53.595-04:00

"Also, I am not sure I can handle a President where any disagreement with him gets branded as racist. Fours years of that will get old real fast."

If you have been paying any attention to this campaign, you would have noticed that disagreements as to the issues (health care mandates, whether or not to directly negotiate with our enemies, the Iraq War, etc..) have not involved recriminations of racism. As such, there's no reason to believe that policy battles with an Obama administration would involve accusations of racism.

Race has only been an issue due to the poor decisions that have been made by surrogates and staffers (Bill Clinton, Robert Johnson, Shaheen, Kerrey's madrassa comment, Mark Penn's "coke, coke, coke" mantra, Geraldine Ferraro, making Obama blacker in an advert, the dissemination of a picture of Obama in the garb of a Somali elder, etc...)

When they've debated the issues affecting the country, race has been thankfully absent. So don't think that four more years of this can be expected. Once Obama clears the final hurdles and is sworn in as President, the only thing that will matter are his policies...

I think it's actually a good thing that Clinton di...

2008-03-17T12:07:00.000-04:00

I think it's actually a good thing that Clinton did not drop out. Imagine if Obama were already officially the candidate and then all this stuff from Obama's past came up that could hurt the Dems in the GE. Also, I am not sure I can handle a President where any disagreement with him gets branded as racist. Fours years of that will get old real fast.