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Tuesday, October 31, 2006
Chris Matthews Defends Kerry Against Sleazy Repug Attacks. We Say, if Anyone Owes the Soldiers an Apology, it's Bush
Ok, so the October surprise was not exactly what Democrats were expecting: Sen. John Kerry splattered all over the airwaves, just days before the midterms, defending himself after landing in hot water over comments about Bush and Iraq which were twisted by the Repugs in a last minute, desperate and pathetic attempt to deflect attention away from their leadership's miserable military failure. A seemingly straightforward comment, in a speech to students at Pasadena City College on Monday, has become a misguided rallying cry for a political party that's sensing major defeat next Tuesday.
So what did Kerry actually say that got the Repugs' panties in a snit? "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." Every major Repug, from President Bush to House Speaker Denny Hastert to John McCain, has lambasted Kerry for "trashing the troops." (McCain, that opportunistic little weasel, has already sold his soul ten times over as he plans his 2008 run for the White House. The once highly respected, independent war-hero has become nothing more than a mouthpiece for Bush as he seeks the Christian conservative vote. His spine, and his principles, have said...'check please'). It's obvious to anyone not poisoned by Repuglican rhetoric that Kerry was commenting on Bush, not the troops.
The unmitigated gall of this Repug attack on Kerry is beyond infuriating. How dare these notorious chickenhawks--who used college deferments, family connections and every other tactic known to man in order to escape serving in Vietnam--even suggest that Sen. Kerry, a highly decorated Vietnam combat veteran, had actually intended to malign and disparage our soldiers. Unlike these cowardly, privileged rich kids, Kerry actually served (read: enlisted) our military and bled on the battlefield defending America. What balls the Busheviks have to suddenly claim the mantle of bravery while Swift Boating the stellar record of someone like Kerry and mangling his words.
Speaking to a typical group of Kool-aid-drunken Repugs in Georgia Tuesday, Bush had the audacity to claim that Kerry had insulted the intelligence of Americans troops. "The senator's suggestion that the men and women of our military are somehow uneducated is insulting and it is shameful. The members of the United States military are plenty smart and they are plenty brave, and the senator from Massachusetts owes them an apology." Excuse me while I go puke.
If anyone owes the troops an apology, Mr. President, it is you. You and your administration have used and abused their loyalty and courage to further your maniacal political agenda. And while you're at it, you can apologize to the American people as well. You owe us all an apology for:
1. Lying about WMD in order to justify an invasion of Iraq
2. Failing to provide enough troops to secure the country after toppling Saddam
3. Failing to adequately equip the troops with life-saving body armor
4. Failing to be honest with the troops and the public about the failing war
5. Lying about the circumstances surrounding Pat Tillman's death
6. Lying about the circumstances surrounding Pvt. Jessica Lynch's rescue
7. Having Defense Secretary Rumsfeld lie about knowing where the WMD were
8. Having VP Dick Cheney constantly lie about the "progress" in Iraq
9. Lying that the "mission was accomplished"
10. Lying to America that Democrats want the terrorists to win
11. Lying about never saying "stay the course"
12. For the death of 3000 U.S soldiers
13. For the maiming and wounding of tens of thousands of others
On his Hardball program Tuesday, Chris Matthews chastised several Repuglican spinners, asking incredulously if they truly believed Kerry was trashing the troops instead of Bush. Matthews, in acknowledging the highly orchestrated attack campaign on Kerry, cited the many communications he's received from the GOP.
"You wouldn't believe the number of press releases coming into this studio from the top Republicans, all of them, in a grand bit of choreography," Matthews said. "Not since the June Taylor dancers has there been so much choreography."
Matthews added that, in the context of the entire Kerry speech, it seems clear what the Senator's intention was: "My interpretation became after seeing it a couple times and reading the text of what he's saying...he was out there trashing the president's lack of preparation for going into Iraq. And by the way, I agree with him on that. If this president had more sense of history about the Middle East, we would not be stuck in Iraq." Kudos to Chris.
Even right-wing strategist Matthew Dowd agreed: "I think John Kerry supports the troops...he was a member of the military. I think that John Kerry's intention always has been, in his own way, to support the troops."
"Insulting and shameful," you say Mr. President? Exactly, but it's your behavior, and that of your reckless, irresponsible White House mob of Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Rove, that has insulted and shamed every single American. When are you going to apologize for what you've done to our soldiers and to this country?
Message to the Busheviks: Kerry's not running for anything, you are. If you think the American people next Tuesday are gonna focus on his bad jokes versus how you've destroyed our country, guess again.
Posted by The Ostroy Report at 10:21 PM
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John Kerry is “stuck on Vietnam” and the 60’s -where if you didn’t go to college and make your grades, you got drafted. I think this explanation fits Kerry’s words better than simply “a quip gone awry” that was meant for Bush.
You can't ignore Kerry's rich and proud history of trashing the American soldier.
the bush team is going down and they think if they play there silly games just one more time with people they can pull it off. i don't think so. their hands are the ones dripping with blood, they are the ones who sent almost 3,000 american soldiers to die for a lie, they are the ones who have forced tens of thousands of american soldiers to live out their lives missing limbs and suffering "shell shock", they are the ones who never had a round wizz by them or hit them...they are going down and hard this time. i hope kerry runs in 08 so we can revisit their crimes over and over and over like their victims have to...
Uh- listen to what he said- not what you think he meant.
If he misspoke, then apologize. But don't try and blame it on our lying ears. It was very clear what he said. Even in context, is sounded like he was saying that the uneducated end up in the military.
It's not an uncommon Democratic/left theme that people in the military are there because they can't do anything else.
This isn't about anybody but Kerry and his pattern of trashing his fellow military. I'm fine with the fact that you think the entire Bush administration needs to apologize for whatever you think they should apologize for.
But this isn't about them. This is about Kerry's words which just insulted every man and woman who has ever worn the uniform by choice. Again- it doesn't matter what he meant. It's what came out of his mouth.
Okay, let’s look at what Kerry said, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Knowing that he was talking about Bush, as he was, it’s very plain what Mr. Kerry was talking about. “Education, if you make the best of it”, educate yourself on what is going on with other countries, learn about them. “You study hard and do your home work” once again he is referring to Bush NOT studying the Middle East and for sure NOT doing his home work on going into Iraq without “doing his home work”. “You make an effort to be smart”, meaning Bush’s lack of being smart in anything he has done. The final sentence, “If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq” is just what I would have expected from where he was going with this in the first place. Very simple and very plain to figure out but not I guess for those that didn’t figure Bush’s war out from the beginning and still to this day can’t see it.
Being a Vietnam vet, I know of NO ONE that doesn’t support our troops 100%, NO ONE and to call Mr. Kerry anything but a hero is not an American. McPain is nothing more than a brain dead old fart who sucks up to the moment and can’t see the future, just like his “butt buddy” Bush.
John Kerry and the Democrats HATE the military.
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Kerry was not talking about Bush. Bush went to the SAME university as Kerry, during the same years as Kerry - Except BUSH HAD A HIGHER GPA THAN KERRY.
And to think that Democrats actually voted for this elitist trash in 2004. Lurch joined the military to advance his political career, then he married into millions (twice). Kerry is an opportunist who looks down on the average American.
He seemed to be talking about education, not Bush.
What was the "joke" supposed to be? That if you don't do well in school you'll wind up POTUS like the guy with the Harvard and Yale degrees?
That makes no sense. It's the classic "cannon fodder" argument, it was crass and it was on camera.
Kerry should have said he misspoke and apologized. Instead, he leaves the 2004 party standard bearer looking like a complete jackass a week before the best chance the party has had to take control in years.
Democrats hate the military said...
"John Kerry and the Democrats HATE the military."
Ya gotta love these Repugs. Yeah, Kerry, Gore, Ted Kennedy etc all hate the military, but Bush, Cheney, Rove etc--the guys who never served--love it. Nice logic. Tell it to Sean Hannity.
IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. THOSE IN ATTENDANCE LAUGHED. WHAT KERRY SAID IS SADLY TRUE. IF YOU DON'T GO TO COLLEGE AND DO WELL YOU HAVE VERY FEW OPTIONS. MANY ARE NOT AS WELL EDUCATED BECAUSE THAT IS WHY THEY JOINED TO GET MONEY TO GO TO SCHOOL.
THE TRUTH IS THIS IS ALL THE REPUBS HAVE LEFT. SIME AND FEAR.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THE 60% WHO OPPOSE THE WAR WILL CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT THE ELECTION OVER THIS. ALSO MANY HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THE STATES THAT HAVE EARLY VOTING.
I LOVE WHAT KERRY SAID IN HIS NEWS CONFERENCE AND I THINK IT WILL FIRE UP THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE WAR MORE BECAUSE WE ARE GLAD THAT A DEM IS FIGHTING BACK.
"Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry."
I guess he cheated to get that too. You can cheat in school, don't you know? How did Bush get into an Ivy League university inthe first place?
Kerry's problem was and is his advisors. These comments, if used at all, should have been crisply worded so that they simply could not be twisted in error. And, Kerry should learn to rehearse his speeches because he's "accident prone." Outside of that, it's all simply ridiculous to think Kerry would bash soldiers, as he pointed out. He's alway's regarded them enough to try and protect them every chance he gets. Way back he asked and I paraphrase, who wanted to ask a soldier to be the last to die for a mistake. The answer is no one who loves our youth, our soldiers, mankind and our country would commit anybody to death except for the cause of saving our country from destruction. Certainly not John Kerry. And, I hope he sees what a "good friend" McCain turned out to be. No ounce of loyalty or even good sense from McCain anymore. He's totally opportunistic.
Johnny- if you listen to the spin, you will assume he was talking about the President. If you listen to the words just prior to making this statement, it reinforces the idea that he wasn't.
After making a few jokes about the President, he said, "but we're [really] here to talk about education" which most people would take as being a change of subject. Then he laid his egg, that regardless of what he meant, sounded like a stab at people who enter the military.
Again- it doesn't matter what he meant. What he said deeply offended veterans groups, current military, families of military...
No one cares if he apologizes to the President or the administration. Nobody is asking him to. He should apologize to the military and to veterans for his "botched joke" that was to easy to take for what the words said, coming from a Senator of the United States.
Marty - Even if a person HATED, DESPISED and HAD NOT ONE IOTA OF RESPECT OR CONCERN FOR AMERICAN SOLDIERS, he would not be STUPID enough to say so in public when he wants his "team" to be elected. How much intelligence does it take to understand that? Especially when we're so used to lies and deceits from politicians? Therefore, you are just being a wicked opportunist by spinning his comment trying to make us believe Kerry meant what you say he meant and that he expressed that sentiment on purpose. So, common sense tells anyone with a brain that Kerry DID NOT MEAN WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE SAYING HE MEANT.
Marty, you are WRONG in your take on Kerry. I had his speech on my DVR and it is VERY clear that he was talking about Bush, no doubt about it. If you have it in your brain that it was against the troops then that is what you will believe, just like all the other BS that comes out of the republicans mouths.
As I said above, NO ONE on either side of the aisle speaks nothing but pride about our troops, but the leaders of these troops are all fair game.
Wake up and see what is going on and for once THINK about what is going on in this country.
It's pure GOP Bu**sh*t to say that Kerry dissed the soldiers. The part that the GOP spin machine can't distort is that Kerry was a soldier and Bush and Cheney were NOT!
This emotional crap of Kerry needs to apologize just covers up the real issue. Need it be repeated? If you don't have a good education you're more likely to end up in the military or low level job.
Just ask the 18 year old I know who dropped out of high school last spring and now has to go get a GED so they can take nail technician classes. A job that pays around 20,000 a year (in this redneck state) when you've got established clientele!
Go John Kerry in calling the GOP was they are!!!
The smell of Republican desperation is thick in the air.
As Ostroy reiterated above, the feeble GOP attempt at logic which says that veterans hate our soldiers is absolutely pathetic.
Vets hate our troops more than people who have actively avoided serving in the military?
It's amazing that you obviously have no idea how stupid you sound when you say that.
Oh tee hee! Another Republican had to quit in Florida over racial slurs left in a voice mail. Yup, just now!
Yes, their name will stay on the ballot and the GOP are scrambling to find a replacement.
Who cares about the spin on Kerry's remarks. I'm sure the college students got it. All this endless media attention over a remark is hiding the more important news that the GOP are imploding! It's about time this country started rising from the bottom of the cesspool of Bush and the GOP!
Hillary Clinton is a female version of Lieberman. She said that Kerry should apologize. She, who has never even admitted her vote for the war in Iraq was a mistake, thinks Kerry should apologize. Why doesn't she just switch parties legally and not botch up the Dems' presidential election chances?
I have always believed that a person should be rightly judged by what they do instead of what they say. In my research of Congressional voting records where military and veterans affairs are concerned, I found that elected Republicans only talk the talk, they don’t walk the walk. And you will be shocked to see who the biggest hypocrite turns out to be.
Another thing that I try to do is gather pertinent facts from the most qualified and relevant sources. For example, as regards the war in Iraq, it would seem more important to see what Iraq and Afghanistan veterans thought of their elected representatives, than it would be to determine the opinions of older veterans.
Likewise, if I want an assessment of the state of veteran’s affairs, the experiences of disabled veterans should be more relevant, and therefore more important, than those in better circumstances.
With these parameters in mind, I examined the voting record of Missouri Senator Jim Talent through the lenses of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (www.iavaaction.org) and the Disabled American Veterans.
A stealth member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Talent missed 65 of 95 committee sessions, earning him a D+ from the Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. Here are some of the reasons why:
• Talent voted against free Tricare for Life for USAR and National Guard.
• He voted twice against more funding for Traumatic Brain Injury research, although it affects 100,000 troops.
• He voted no to a paltry $2 million for Readjustment Counseling Services, but yes to $65 billion for more aircraft.
• Voted no to $21.9 billion for VA medical care and hospital improvements. 2/2/06
• As recently as this March, Talent voted against a $1.5 billion increase for outpatient care, and was against providing an assured stream of funding for veterans programs.
• Talent voted with the President to allow the CIA to continue to torture captured enemy combatants, thereby insuring adverse treatment for captured American soldiers in the future. 9/12/06
The voting record shows that the Democrats in the Senate consistently vote for the interests of veterans by a large margin over Republicans. You can see the DAV scorecard at (www.capwiz.com/dav/scorecard.xc). Overall, Democrats voted for veterans 88% of the time, while the GOP members only supported veterans half the time, Talent 60% of the time.
Only 5 members of the U.S. Senate voted 100 percent for veterans: Sen. Tim Johnson, D-SD; Sen. Bill Nelson, D-FL; Sen. Mark Pryor, D-AR; Sen. John Rockefeller, D-WV; and Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-MI.
And the Senator with the worst record, the man who voted for veterans interests the least? Sen. John McCain, R-AZ. The former POW supported veterans a measly 20 percent of the time, and was joined in the cellar only by the two GOP senators from Idaho.
While I have only looked into Jim Talent’s record regarding veterans, if this is how little he cares for soldiers, I have seen enough.
You sure told the truth about John McCain. Six years ago I would have told you there was nobody in the country I admired more. Today I am embarassed for him to watch what a spineless toady such a gallant war hero has become to his vision of becoming President. He use to recognize that once you became willing to sell your soul to become President you had nothing left to offer the country if you got there. McCain as a fellow Vietnam veteran cannot possibly believe that he is somehow more sensitive to the suffering of combat troops than other combat veterans. As a Vietnam veteran myself I have never met any combat veteran that was not sympathtic to the plight of other combat troops. John Kerry would have to be virtually unique to attack the men in Iraq who are the same kind of men John Kerry fought with in Vietnam. Nor can any thinking person really believe he meant to say that without a good education you cannot do any better in life than to get stuck in Iraq. Such a conclusion does not hold up to even momentary scrutiny. For example, Kerry himself had a Harvard degree and he ended up in Vietnam, moreover by choice. He was neither stuck there for lack of education or for lack of patriotism. Indeed there are thousands of well educated combat troops in Iraq right this moment who ended up there by choice due to patriotism, at least until Bush screwed them by extending their tours involuntarily. John Kerry knows this and would thus have had to have suspended his own personal experience in life to have said something so obviously incorrect about the kind of people who end up on battlefield. Since Kerrys statement if applied to the troops in Iraq is so inconsistent with Kerrys experience and McCain shared the similar experience of a well educated Vietnam veteran, he had to know the statement was targeted to someone else, yet he piled on for political gain. The Republicans probably really do need to be turned out of office even if the
Democrats are not a damn bit more competent because John McCains probably the best they have and he is pathetic.
Go for it Andy! Your words are much appreciated. The graphic is great too! It's good to know that there are people like you who aren't afraid to speak the truth with honor and integrity. I don't agree with everything you say but on this particular subject you've "hit the nail on the head". Let the hammer drop. Drive those nails into the GOP coffin. Let's put the "miserable failure" (and his party) to rest. Thamk-you.
Kerry's comment was no joke. The Bush Administration just lowered the standards for young people to be able to join up to fight for their country (or those who need a job). They are running out of people to fight this "phony war". The next thing coming is the draft (after the election, of course). Deferments to those with money and in college, i.e. Vietnam. So, I told my grandkids on their way to school this morning, "Work & study hard so you don't end up stuck in Iraq."
Thank you Mr. Ostroy & Mr. Matthews...for having "Hard Balls".
Thanks for the comments on John McCain. I've always thought that he favored the GOP party over the people. His voting record certainly reflects that.
As for the latest comment by John Boehner (Boner)...Howard Dean did an in your face and it sure made the GOP look stupid once again. I guess Bush and Co are the ones who slept through class and got a degree anyway because daddy threatened the university!
Can't wait to see prison stripes on all of 'em, including Condi!!
Watch Keith Olbermann give Bush hell http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15519404/ it's a classic and I had to email him my support.
It is said that ad hominem - like "Repugs" is the last resort of losing arguments.
Whatever one thinks of President Bush, one can never be comfortable standing behind John Kerry. He clearly has significant flaws, especially surrounding his veteran status.
Having grown up during the height of Viet Nam, I unfortunately knew many young men who served, mostly not by choice. Kerry's military resume is highly anomalous as compared to his peer group.
One of the common hallmarks of people like Kerry who "volunteered" notwithstanding their otherwise promising future was that they did so only after their deferments ran out. Their first preference was to find more deferments or other service avoidance methods, such as seeking employment with defense contractors (a cousin of mine actually relocated to a small midwest town, far from his family when his 2S deferment expired). Another common tactic was to volunteer for the reserves or other military group - such as the Navy - which would be least likely to be called to active service in the war zone.
There's nothing wrong with that. Vietnam was NOT a popular war to many people for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was that the generation called to fight it was raised in an environment of rising affluence and individual opportunity as the American Century gained traction. Traditional notions regarding national service fell in the face of the call to arms by our elected (Democratic) Congress and President. Little remembered now, our involvement in Vietnam had popular support in the country long after violent protests were provoked by those who preferred to have their lives uninterrupted by war, preferring the opportunity for career, recreation (including recreational drug use), etc.
So people like Kerry sought to avoid service, typically via the education route. The 2S (S for student) deferment kept many a middle and upper class white man out of the service and the rice paddies. Indeed, it was viewed as so socially unfair to those who didn't "study hard and do well" in school, that they did away with the student deferment. Hence Kerry's dilemma....
Hence Kerry took a common approach taken by many who had run out of defermments - they sought to serve in ways that placed them least at risk of the war zone.
So Kerry was not heroic in his enlistment - he joined the Naval reserves, probably because it was the branch least likely to be called up, and, if called up, was least likely to be engaged in combat activities. Indeed, the Navy had the least casualties of any service branches. And at the time Kerry was called to service, its primary involvement was in transporting troops and supplies. Use of the Navy in interior waterways had not started at the time and had not been contemplated.
So the truth is John Kerry did NOT want to serve, he "volunteered" only when it was clear that if he didn't he'd have been drafted and he tried as hard as he could to tailor his service to avoid combat activities.
When the dice rolled against him and he found himself in country, he quickly found his exit via the three injury and you're out option. Legitimate questions have arisen as to the circumstances of at least two of those injuries and Kerry was able to cut short his tour by electing to leave having collected three purple hearts based on injuries that resulted in little or no downtime away from his unit. Regardless as to the leitimacy of those purple hearts, it is a fact that each one of Kerry's purple hearts were rarities - purple hearts for non disabling injuries were certain issued, but rarely so. Kerry scored an extremely rare hat trick - three of them which put him in a position for an early exit from a war zone he engaged in wind mill action to avoid in the first place.
Context is of critical importance - before entering the service, Kerry had participated in anti-war activities. Upon returning from Southeast Asia, he resumed those activities with a vengeance, engaging in conduct that placed him in the smallest segment of combat veterans.
Say what you will about Bush, Cheney and others in their more successful efforts to avoid combat service, it is simply misleading and wrong for Kerry to parade around as if he were some sort of higher life form because of his quasi-involuntary service that sandwiched vigorous anti-war, anti-military activities.
Indeed, Kerry is the polar opposite of Audie Murphy types.
His comment was more consistent with the "Repug" spin on it that not.
Kerry IS a guy who used education to avoid service and grew up in an environment where it was typical and customary for men of his social class to do so.
Back in Kerry's day, it was common for people to be looked at as foolish if not stupid for dropping out of school, lest they end up being drafted and shipped of to fight in a distant foreign war. Certainly, people who took the steps that Kerry took would normally look at the situation that way.
So Kerry made a slip in his comments. But given the context of his history and his times, it was probably a Freudian slip, bespeaking what his true and lifelong view of military service was - something to be avoided.
8:24 After the "joke" went around about Bush's IQ being 85, I searched to find out what it really is. I couldn't find it. Where did you get that informtion. And, no matter what it is, an IQ test score can be as erroneous as any other test. One can be coached for the test, as for SATS or any other test; and, in some cases the answers can be obtained. A teacher in my past, told her son the answers to nis school IQ test, and his IQ "officially" became 152. I'm not even touching the argument about the validity of IQ scores. I think most Americans are smart enough to evaluate Bush's level of intelligence.
KEITH OLBERMANN FOR PRESIDENT.
Hillary Clinton betrayed Kerry as did McCain.
only you guys can defend what kerry said and did. oy vey
Kerry made a gaffe, and has since apologized for it. There is nothing to defend.
Where's the apology from Bush for joking about WMDs at that banquet while Americans were dying in Iraq?
Where's the apology from Boehner for blaming the generals on the ground for the POLICY failure in Iraq?
You people are such hypocrites. You have no respect for honesty or facts. Lying is the only thing you are capable of anymore.
Ney. DeLay. Cuningham. Abramoff. Safavian. Libby. Hastert. Foley. Sherwood. Haggard.
Well Kerry apologized only because the Democratic Party had to force him to apologize. His original statement stated that he would in no way apologize.
And when no mention of Bill Clinton's military service. Or for that matter Al Gore's. Five months in Vietnam as a reporter...never was in the field. I'm sure he didn't use his connections because that would be unethical.
The honest party. All of the following names are Democrats who have been convicted for various crimes.
Nicholas Mavroules.. tax fraud and excepting gratuities.
Webster Hubbell.. tax evasion and mail fraud.
Joseph Kolter.. five felony charges of embezzlement.
Walter Fauntroy... false statements on financial disclosure forms.
William McCuen... tax evasion accepting kickbacks.. serving 17 years.
Walter Rayford Tucker... extortion and tax evasion.
James Guy Tucker, Jr. .. fraud stemming from Whitewater investigation.
David Lee Walters... violating federal election laws.
Lawrence Jack Smith.. Federal tax evasion.
Albert G. Bustamante... racketeering and bribery.
Joseph Waggonner Jr... soliciting a prostitute.
Jerry Cosentino.. Bank fraud.
Allan Turner Howe.. soliciting a prostitute.
John A. Celona... mail fraud
David Hall.. extortion and conspiracy.
Henry J. Cianfrani... racketeering and mail fraud.
John Doug Hays.. mail fraud.
James A. Traficant Jr... corruption, excepting bribes and kickbacks.
Henry Cisneros.. lying to the FBI.
Abraham J. Hirschfeld.. bribing Paula Jones and hiring a hit man to kill his business partner.
Lena Swanson.. soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.
Edward Mezvinsky... 56 fraud charges.
David Giles... raping a child.
Mary Rose Oakar.. funneling $16,000 through fake donors.
Hazel O'Leary... misappropriation of funds.
Frank Ballance.. mail fraud and money laundering.
Marion Barry.. possession and use of cocaine.
Alcee Lamar Hastings.. bribery charges.
Neil Goldschmid.. sexual relationship with a 14-year-old girl.
John Michael Murphy...Abscam sting.
Michael Joseph Myers..Abscam sting.
Frank Thompson, Jr.. Abscam sting
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr.. Abscam sting.
Raymond Lederer.. Abscam sting
Gerry Eastman Studds.. censored for having homosexual relations with a teenage page.
John Murtha, Jr... unindicted co-conspirator in Abscam.
Don Siegelman.. bid rigging sting.
Melvin Jay Reynolds.. sexual misconduct and obstruction charges.
Daniel David Rostenkowski.. 17 felony charges, misuse of public funds.
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde.. charged with criminal damage to property for slashing 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party.
Gary Condit... affair with intern who later went missing.. not charged with murder.
Jesse Jackson... extramarital affair and fathering an illegitimate child.
James McGreevey.. extramarital gay affair, sexual harassment.
Robert Torricelli.. questionable campaign donations and receipt of personal gifts.
Sandy Berger.. removed highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the national archives.
DNC... 719,000 in fines for fundraising scandals in 1996.
Barney Frank.. hiring a male prostitute to be his personal assistant.
Edward Moore Kennedy.. leaving Mary Jo to drown.
William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of
justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate
Bob Murtha should be on this list for Abscam but he lied his way out of it.
AMERICAN CRUSADER: What is your point? Instead of your idiotic post you should be rejoicing that there are enough law-abiding citizens in our country who elected the Democrats to a majority so the crooks can be investigated. I'm sure the Dems will probbly see to it that Clinton is once again chastised for lying about sex along with their investigation of Bush for lying about getting us into war. Fair is fair.
If you feel John McCain is a little weasel, what does that make your beloved John Kerry? Rational discourse would make you issue an apology to McCain.
But I can see from your commenters, you and most of them are afflicted with BDS.
2:38 Kerry messed up on a joke but everybody knew what he meant. McCain is as spinelss and "flexible" as an eel. Plus, after being humiliated by Bush during the campagin, he crawled back and supported Bush as if nothing had happened. Then, he betrayed his friend Kerry, knowing full well Kerry was innocent of the charges; and, he is supposed to be a close friend of Kerry's. McCain is not a nice person.
Please see my last 2-3 cooments in Posting area about death of Adrienne Shelly....please.
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